Comments on: Answering His Prayer http://claypeck.com/2009/06/09/answering-his-prayer/ Thoughts from Clay Sun, 11 Jul 2010 20:47:30 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: John http://claypeck.com/2009/06/09/answering-his-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-1763 John Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:05:03 +0000 http://claypeck.com/?p=325#comment-1763 Tamara Thanks for sharing that. I wasn't always totally onboard with the "equality" in Christ issue as it dealt with women's roles and authority in the church. But I am convinced that in Christ there is not distinction. In fact it would be hard to worship in a church that did not embrace it, for me anyway. I know it is controversial, but if one really looks deeper, as Clay gave an example(s) of, Jesus was radically confronting the cultural norms about women. This verse has been cited a lot and should be: NASB version Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you look at the most literal version Greek Interlinear you see something else, I think. Gal 3:28 there is not here Jew or Greek, there is not here servant nor freeman, there is not here male and female, for all ye are one in Christ Jesus; Instead of "neither male nor female" you have "not here male and female" It is almost like saying that the distinction isn't even on the agenda. Just my opinion. The stories of Jesus interacting with women abound and the parables and stories Jesus told were always a mix about men and women. In that culture, that was atypical if not confrontational. Anyway, I am glad Clay is teaching it truely in the light of sound scriptural understanding. Tamara
Thanks for sharing that. I wasn’t always totally onboard with the “equality” in Christ issue as it dealt with women’s roles and authority in the church. But I am convinced that in Christ there is not distinction. In fact it would be hard to worship in a church that did not embrace it, for me anyway. I know it is controversial, but if one really looks deeper, as Clay gave an example(s) of, Jesus was radically confronting the cultural norms about women.
This verse has been cited a lot and should be:
NASB version
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

If you look at the most literal version Greek Interlinear you see something else, I think.

Gal 3:28 there is not here Jew or Greek, there is not here servant nor freeman, there is not here male and female, for all ye are one in Christ Jesus;

Instead of “neither male nor female” you have “not here male and female”

It is almost like saying that the distinction isn’t even on the agenda. Just my opinion.

The stories of Jesus interacting with women abound and the parables and stories Jesus told were always a mix about men and women. In that culture, that was atypical if not confrontational.

Anyway, I am glad Clay is teaching it truely in the light of sound scriptural understanding.

]]> By: Tamara http://claypeck.com/2009/06/09/answering-his-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-1761 Tamara Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:29:09 +0000 http://claypeck.com/?p=325#comment-1761 I was happy to hear on Sunday past that God is good...:D Sometimes, however, in a teaching that God is good, sin is left out, hell is omitted, and consequences are glossed over. But Pastor Clay did not do that. I appreciated the honesty of the Scriptures, and showing how women are the same as men, although I had read that particular scripture (there is no male or female) many times. I had also been raised on the scripture that women should keep their mouths shut in church. I even knew the historical significance of the statement, but having been raised in a denomination that teaches that women should be quiet and have no authority over men, it was difficult for me to accept Pastor Rose's position in our church. Every time--I hate to admit this--every time she taught, I grissled. But after Sunday's teaching, I'm headed more in the direction that, indeed, men and women are equal to any task. I still have problems with it, but I'm studying the scriptures Pastor presented, and letting the Holy Spirit do his work. So thanks for...again...sticking to the Word and sharing its wisdom with us. I was happy to hear on Sunday past that God is good…:D Sometimes, however, in a teaching that God is good, sin is left out, hell is omitted, and consequences are glossed over. But Pastor Clay did not do that. I appreciated the honesty of the Scriptures, and showing how women are the same as men, although I had read that particular scripture (there is no male or female) many times. I had also been raised on the scripture that women should keep their mouths shut in church. I even knew the historical significance of the statement, but having been raised in a denomination that teaches that women should be quiet and have no authority over men, it was difficult for me to accept Pastor Rose’s position in our church. Every time–I hate to admit this–every time she taught, I grissled. But after Sunday’s teaching, I’m headed more in the direction that, indeed, men and women are equal to any task. I still have problems with it, but I’m studying the scriptures Pastor presented, and letting the Holy Spirit do his work. So thanks for…again…sticking to the Word and sharing its wisdom with us.

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